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Regional Spending is Out of Control

No one honestly thinks the proposal before Council will come in even remotely close to the current cost estimates. On average, from  recent past experience LRT’s built in North America were 40% over budget. Region struggles with the current budget including the following:

  • Police budget 5.2% this year, 8.2% average annual increase year over year over the last 10 years before that.
  • Assessment growth is down reducing the amount of new tax money anticipated in previous budgets to deal with increasing costs.
  • Landfill revenues down by $4,000,000 this year.

When the LRT is built, the Region is counting on big ridership numbers to generate revenues to support the system.  Assuming a typical fare of $3.00 per ride, if the per day ridership is half of what the Region is projecting, 13,500 riders per day, this could result in a revenue shortfall of over $14,000,000 annually, a 2% increase in Regional taxes alone.

Population does not support this project

K-W is a city of 350,000, not a city of 729,000, the number that is always quoted regarding the Regional population of 2031. The next largest city where a significant LRT investment has been made is 3 times our current size.  In 25 years, based on the Cities potential growth, it will still be 2 times our size.  There is no urgency to get this passed.  I am not aware that there is any city in North America of our size that experiences any significant traffic problem.

populationThe purpose of building the LRT has nothing to do with transit, where there currently simply is no problem. It is to promote reurbanization of the core area.

The outcome regarding the LRT choice has been predetermined by Regional staff from the beginning.  The cart has been put before the horse on so many issues related to planning and development prior to a decision being rendered by Council on the LRT.  This forces Council with only one alternative and that is to approve.

The public has not been formally engaged in the decision.  The conclusions of staff from a few public open houses do not reflect the experiences of a number of the members of Regional Council who are sharing a far different view of the acceptance of the proposal from last falls municipal election.  The only effective way to determine public support is through a referendum.

Ridership numbers are fantasy.  Currently 9,000 on the spine, going to 27,000 the day it opens and 56,000 by 2031, more than currently use the system in Houston, Baltimore, San Jose, Minneapolis, etc.

outrageous-costsRegion concerned with costs

The Region is asking the Provincial Government to amend the current Development charge legislation to allow charges to be collected for the LRT.  This is a clear sign that there are significant concerns with Regional staff about cost overruns and that the best way to reduce tax impacts is to have available the D/C option.

The Conestoga Parkway is a common argument used in support of the LRT.  In the 1960’s many were opposed because “I will never use it”.  Looking back those who built it were visionaries.  There are 2 main differences.  First, currently 3% use transit and 98% use cars, likely the same as it was in the 1960’s.  Secondly, the Conestoga Parkway was built solely for one purpose, moving people in their cars, which over time it has done.  The current LRT proposal has very little to do with dealing with transit needs or moving people.  It’s primary purpose is for re-urbanization.  This is a recipe for failure.

The Region claims that the review and approval of the LRT by a 3rd party “Peer Review Panel” validates that this is a sound proposal.  Recently the Chair along with several other members of Council have declared a conflict because of a potential benefit received by them or their families if the system gets built. It should be noted that several members of the “3rd Party Peer Review Panel” are also in conflict as they have done work for the Region as consultants, assisting in developing the current policies towards growth and transit.  It would be difficult to suggest that the opinion of this group is valid based on the obvious conflict of several of it’s members by doing work for the Region and by being paid by the Region to do this work.


dollar-costsProject over-budget not planned or considered properly

The Region is back tracking on having the required “feeder” buses in place with the opening of the LRT.  In last Friday’s Record it was reported that the LRT cost is putting pressure on the Region being able to provide buses before 2017-2018 which will significantly limit the ability to get people to the LRT route to use it.  This in turn will reduce ridership and directly affect revenues.  The Region is only showing one financial impact summary based on unrealistically low capital costs (810M) and overly optimistic ridership targets (27K on opening day).  They need to show what the impacts will be for every $50M of cost overrun and every 5K of ridership reduction in a matrix which shows a range of potential likely costs.  Council and more importantly the public needs to understand the risk prior to any decision being rendered.  I asked this question as recently as last week and the answer I received from Thomas Schmidt was the Region is confident with their budgeting and we need not worry.


road-disruptionsUnclear whether proposed route is build-able

The Region has no idea if their proposed routing will in fact be build-able   As recently as a couple of weeks ago Caroline Street routing was changed from one side of the street to the other because of concern with access to underground utilities.  These kind of changes have cost impacts and draw concern as to the overall level of detail used to determine budgets to date.



increased-taxesHigher Property Taxes

The Region talks about increasing property values along the route as a result of it’s completion.  Higher property values, relative to the basket of values in the overall community simply means higher taxes for those currently living near the route.  So much for a 2% tax increase if your are fortunate enough to have your property go up in value by 20%.  How about a 20% tax increase?  Generally when property values increase significantly over a short period of time this is referred to as inflation.  I am curious as to how this phenomenon, inflation, is viewed by the Region as being a good thing.

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  1. Andrei says:

    karl Z going to pension, I would like to know how many he will pay from his pension in case LRT fiasco. Or we have to pay for this stupid ideas.
    A lot of bureaucrats from Kitchener,Waterloo and region where involved in this decision. May be they will pay for it and only after that we will pay our taxes?

  2. John Hodgson says:

    We will probably have completely automatic busses, viz. Google and other automatic cars already licensed in US jurisdictions, within ten years, without a driver, with full remote video monitoring and control as necessary. Those busses will service not only a narrow corridor like King Street more effectively, but will service the full breadth (suburbs) of the cities. The flexibility and cost reduction will be amazing. LRT is a fifty-year-old technology that is very shortly about to be eclipsed by newer technologies. I could see the LRT infrastructure being entirely ripped out in 10 to 15 years, in order to make way for automatic vehicles, again at a significant cost, albeit a fraction of the billion-plus to install it originally.

    • Jordan Menard says:

      Your entire ideology is moot. Bombardier manufactures a Flexity Light Rail Vehicle that designed for entirely driverless operation. They currently operate on the Docklands Light Railway in the United Kingdom.The Flexity Freedom LRV that will be used on Ion can also be retrofitted for driverless operation should we persue this avenue.

  3. Kevin says:

    In truth i’ve taken the time to read through your entire site and i’m saddened by it. It literally reads like you are trying to trick people by constructing straw man arguments.

    “The Jobs Myth:
    Rail construction provides jobs.
    The Reality:
    Bus systems provide more jobs per public dollar expended, and more local employment.”

    If you are comparing LRT drivers to Bus drivers that statement is probably true. However, if you want to look at the glaringly obvious development that is resulting due to the LRT and the people who will work and live in those buildings than that just doesn’t’ make any sense.

    Nobody builds several dozen highrises based upon a bus route.

  4. Peter says:

    I wonder if Jay (or we, as a coalition) has considered taking out an ad in The Record listing the anti-LRT candidates running in this election. Off hand, I know there is Andrew Telegdi, Ed Korschewitz, Dave MacDonald, Jay, Doug Craig. There might be others. Those who are opposed to LRT need to know who to vote for besides Jay.

    • Jean says:

      Peter, you are right. Those of us who oppose the LRT want to hear more from these anti-LRT folks who are running in this election. As time is of the essence, we encourage them to “step up to the plate” now so that citizens can have a clear idea of who they are and what their platform is in order for us to be able to check their names on our ballots. We are definitely 100% with Jay Aissa, and wish to thank all the people who are supporting him in so many different ways.

  5. keith says:

    I have lived in Kw since 1962 and remember the changes the Conestoga parkway made to area homes / streets to allow a Kitchener / Waterloo flow from top to bottom. King or Weber St were the current fast tracks then.

    We also had an electric trolly system that ran up King st that terminated at Rockway gardens. Turned around and ran back up to Waterloo. EARLY LRT system? close enough. What was the reason then for eliminating the Electric Rail Systen then? (ERS) Buses were covering the outside growth and not at a pace that kept up either as I recall! So now we hope all the core dwellers (above average income condos buyers) are going to use this to go from Conestoga mall to Fairview mall?

    We should be developing better bike lanes / better bus planning (where needed) and faster hub systems to move everything safer / faster / cleaner and efficiently keeping the tax payer in mind.

    Maybe fix the Parkway areas that choke with volume every day, Areas that reduce from 4 lanes to 2??? So unproductive when you flow smooth for 15 min then log jam for 15.

    Is there a future plan to expand more rail to the outside areas where the other 80% of people live?

    We should look at countries that have traffic efficiency with REAL URBAN PLANNING.

    • Kevin says:

      The LRT actually is real urban planning. I work in development and the reality is that the Tri cities are at there physical limits due to provincial mandate. What subdivisions you see going up now are the last of them. Housing and green field development are going to come to a grinding halt in the next few years. Housing prices are already skyrocketing as a result. The LRT provides a common infrastructure Core and connection for years to come to services, the rail way, bus terminals (downtown and at Conestoga and fairview mall).

      Already there are 20+ high rise building containing jobs, and cheap condos (at least compared to current housing market) that will provide entry level housing in the area. (these are not bower loft type buildings)

      The reality is that KW is going to be one of the next big mega cities. Planning for the future and not the past is going to solve many problems….

      and the reason we don’t’ use the trams is because they didn’t have a designated lane and were slow moving. It was also decades ago and we don’t have the same problems that we do today.

      • Alan says:

        Please explain Kevin why the LRT is not going past all these high-rises on King St N. ? The LRT route is wrong. The most highly populated area is being ignored by the region. You cancel this project at the cost of a few hundred million to safe a billion. People voting on October 27th need to know what LRT will do to the roads as well. It’s not hard to figure out what LRT will do to the roads when you put dedicated tracks down and over head wires to feed LRT. This is our last chance to put these politicians in their place. On the outside looking in.

        • Kevin says:

          With respect Alan…. It’s not politician’s who planned the route. It’s not politicians who provided the options. it’s not politicians who made the suggestions. The politicians made choices among the options provided by the professionals.

          So in short. It your last chance to tell professional engineers, city planners and other professionals that you think that you know there job better than they do even if you haven’t done 10 years of planning and consultation.

          and as I said in my post. The LRT is designed to control and focus NEW development. So that the city can grow in the right spots, a the the right times instead of spreading out infrastructure. I’m don’t think I’m wrong in saying that the Vast Majority of NEW highrises are going up within the LRT CORRIDOR.

          Also even if what you said was remotely relevant. Scuttling the project solves NOTHING. Do you really want to cost the city hundreds of millions and lose federal funding so that you can have a route change to fit YOUR ideals. That doesn’t make any sense. That logic wouldn’t fly in your house so why should it fly anywhere else.

          • Jordan Menard says:

            Paul: the Weber Street Grade Separation was a separate project that would have occurred regardless of the LRT project but was accelerated because of a need to widen and grade separate Weber from the GO Kitchener Line (ex CN/GEXR Guelph Sub.) The next part of this grade separation project will occur at the GO Line near King/Victoria. Both grade separations are due to the plans to increase GO Train service to Kitchener. Also the Federal and Provincial contributions to the LRT project were earmarked to us because of the LRT project.

          • Paul Siminowski says:

            Hi Kevin! You seem very knowledgeable about this topic. I need someone to explain to me the Federal contribution. First, has any of it been forwarded yet, and secondly, an earlier post mentioned the money did not have to be earmarked for the LRT, that it could be used for any infrastruction improvements. Most of the costs and land purchases have been for Weber overpass which was always needed. I’m sure this would qualify for the Federal money.