The Facts on LRT

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We have no idea what the total cost of the LRT project will be. However, if the cost of other LRT’s built in North America is any indication, you can expect the total cost to be nearly 40 percent higher than the $818 million budgeted by the region.

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  1. Andrei says:

    karl Z going to pension, I would like to know how many he will pay from his pension in case LRT fiasco. Or we have to pay for this stupid ideas.
    A lot of bureaucrats from Kitchener,Waterloo and region where involved in this decision. May be they will pay for it and only after that we will pay our taxes?

  2. John Hodgson says:

    We will probably have completely automatic busses, viz. Google and other automatic cars already licensed in US jurisdictions, within ten years, without a driver, with full remote video monitoring and control as necessary. Those busses will service not only a narrow corridor like King Street more effectively, but will service the full breadth (suburbs) of the cities. The flexibility and cost reduction will be amazing. LRT is a fifty-year-old technology that is very shortly about to be eclipsed by newer technologies. I could see the LRT infrastructure being entirely ripped out in 10 to 15 years, in order to make way for automatic vehicles, again at a significant cost, albeit a fraction of the billion-plus to install it originally.

    • Jordan Menard says:

      Your entire ideology is moot. Bombardier manufactures a Flexity Light Rail Vehicle that designed for entirely driverless operation. They currently operate on the Docklands Light Railway in the United Kingdom.The Flexity Freedom LRV that will be used on Ion can also be retrofitted for driverless operation should we persue this avenue.

  3. Kevin says:

    In truth i’ve taken the time to read through your entire site and i’m saddened by it. It literally reads like you are trying to trick people by constructing straw man arguments.

    “The Jobs Myth:
    Rail construction provides jobs.
    The Reality:
    Bus systems provide more jobs per public dollar expended, and more local employment.”

    If you are comparing LRT drivers to Bus drivers that statement is probably true. However, if you want to look at the glaringly obvious development that is resulting due to the LRT and the people who will work and live in those buildings than that just doesn’t’ make any sense.

    Nobody builds several dozen highrises based upon a bus route.

  4. Peter says:

    I wonder if Jay (or we, as a coalition) has considered taking out an ad in The Record listing the anti-LRT candidates running in this election. Off hand, I know there is Andrew Telegdi, Ed Korschewitz, Dave MacDonald, Jay, Doug Craig. There might be others. Those who are opposed to LRT need to know who to vote for besides Jay.

    • Jean says:

      Peter, you are right. Those of us who oppose the LRT want to hear more from these anti-LRT folks who are running in this election. As time is of the essence, we encourage them to “step up to the plate” now so that citizens can have a clear idea of who they are and what their platform is in order for us to be able to check their names on our ballots. We are definitely 100% with Jay Aissa, and wish to thank all the people who are supporting him in so many different ways.

  5. keith says:

    I have lived in Kw since 1962 and remember the changes the Conestoga parkway made to area homes / streets to allow a Kitchener / Waterloo flow from top to bottom. King or Weber St were the current fast tracks then.

    We also had an electric trolly system that ran up King st that terminated at Rockway gardens. Turned around and ran back up to Waterloo. EARLY LRT system? close enough. What was the reason then for eliminating the Electric Rail Systen then? (ERS) Buses were covering the outside growth and not at a pace that kept up either as I recall! So now we hope all the core dwellers (above average income condos buyers) are going to use this to go from Conestoga mall to Fairview mall?

    We should be developing better bike lanes / better bus planning (where needed) and faster hub systems to move everything safer / faster / cleaner and efficiently keeping the tax payer in mind.

    Maybe fix the Parkway areas that choke with volume every day, Areas that reduce from 4 lanes to 2??? So unproductive when you flow smooth for 15 min then log jam for 15.

    Is there a future plan to expand more rail to the outside areas where the other 80% of people live?

    We should look at countries that have traffic efficiency with REAL URBAN PLANNING.

    • Kevin says:

      The LRT actually is real urban planning. I work in development and the reality is that the Tri cities are at there physical limits due to provincial mandate. What subdivisions you see going up now are the last of them. Housing and green field development are going to come to a grinding halt in the next few years. Housing prices are already skyrocketing as a result. The LRT provides a common infrastructure Core and connection for years to come to services, the rail way, bus terminals (downtown and at Conestoga and fairview mall).

      Already there are 20+ high rise building containing jobs, and cheap condos (at least compared to current housing market) that will provide entry level housing in the area. (these are not bower loft type buildings)

      The reality is that KW is going to be one of the next big mega cities. Planning for the future and not the past is going to solve many problems….

      and the reason we don’t’ use the trams is because they didn’t have a designated lane and were slow moving. It was also decades ago and we don’t have the same problems that we do today.

      • Alan says:

        Please explain Kevin why the LRT is not going past all these high-rises on King St N. ? The LRT route is wrong. The most highly populated area is being ignored by the region. You cancel this project at the cost of a few hundred million to safe a billion. People voting on October 27th need to know what LRT will do to the roads as well. It’s not hard to figure out what LRT will do to the roads when you put dedicated tracks down and over head wires to feed LRT. This is our last chance to put these politicians in their place. On the outside looking in.

        • Kevin says:

          With respect Alan…. It’s not politician’s who planned the route. It’s not politicians who provided the options. it’s not politicians who made the suggestions. The politicians made choices among the options provided by the professionals.

          So in short. It your last chance to tell professional engineers, city planners and other professionals that you think that you know there job better than they do even if you haven’t done 10 years of planning and consultation.

          and as I said in my post. The LRT is designed to control and focus NEW development. So that the city can grow in the right spots, a the the right times instead of spreading out infrastructure. I’m don’t think I’m wrong in saying that the Vast Majority of NEW highrises are going up within the LRT CORRIDOR.

          Also even if what you said was remotely relevant. Scuttling the project solves NOTHING. Do you really want to cost the city hundreds of millions and lose federal funding so that you can have a route change to fit YOUR ideals. That doesn’t make any sense. That logic wouldn’t fly in your house so why should it fly anywhere else.

          • Jordan Menard says:

            Paul: the Weber Street Grade Separation was a separate project that would have occurred regardless of the LRT project but was accelerated because of a need to widen and grade separate Weber from the GO Kitchener Line (ex CN/GEXR Guelph Sub.) The next part of this grade separation project will occur at the GO Line near King/Victoria. Both grade separations are due to the plans to increase GO Train service to Kitchener. Also the Federal and Provincial contributions to the LRT project were earmarked to us because of the LRT project.

          • Paul Siminowski says:

            Hi Kevin! You seem very knowledgeable about this topic. I need someone to explain to me the Federal contribution. First, has any of it been forwarded yet, and secondly, an earlier post mentioned the money did not have to be earmarked for the LRT, that it could be used for any infrastruction improvements. Most of the costs and land purchases have been for Weber overpass which was always needed. I’m sure this would qualify for the Federal money.